the last two posts confuse energy prices with energy independence. it's true that significantly increasing oil output ANYWHERE in the world will have the effect of lowering prices if demand does not increase, but that will not enhance any country's energy independence. they will still have to buy the fossil fuel from the corporations that own it.
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23 Sep 2012 1:18AM
The way you are defining energy independence, it can never be obtained. Say we stop using all fossil fuels and switch everything over to solar and wind. Where are we going to get the solar panels from?? Corporations. Who are we going to buy the electricity generated from wind farms from?? Corporations. You are confusing energy independence with free energy.
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23 Sep 2012 1:32AM
no, it can be obtained, just not with fossil fuels. you get thousands of wind turbines, hydro stations, solar panel farms, connect them to the power distribution grids, and viola! the energy is produced AND consumed in the US! you see, the problem is that the fossil fuels are extracted and owned by the multinational energy companies, but if you are using energy systems that do not require those fuels, like wind, solar, hydro etc., there is no "commodity" involved in the energy system, so independence (again, we're not talking about cost) is possible.
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23 Sep 2012 3:46PM
Oh, so we should switch everything over to solar and wind power....
....the very energy sources that failed after Obama gave them $1 TRILLION in free taxpayer money?
Stupid fucking Liberal.
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30 Sep 2012 10:23AM
it's always so humorous, and telling, when someone just cannot resist throwing insults in an otherwise calm and reasonable conversation. it proves they cannot rationally support their position. in this case, add to that the fact that this statement, "the energy sources that failed", is not only a non-sequitor, but those energy sources are proven to be effective. that's like saying because someone came up with that phrenology nonsense, all science has "failed".
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23 Sep 2012 3:56PM
I still don't understand the distinction you are making. Yes the energy is being produced in the U.S. BUT you are still dependent upon corporations to produce the equipment that generates the energy. Unless you are suggesting the U.S government go into manufacturing itself, you are still buying something from a corporation.
