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05 Jun 2012 5:01PM
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Capitalism and Communism both have a place. A capitalistic society is good for a growing nation, it speeds up production and creates more jobs but has no place to go when you’ve hit the ceiling of growth. Communism must follow from then on, where a lul of balance takes over. Its like working hard to get you where you are (capitalism) and then retiring and sitting on your rocking chair enjoying your rewards (ak. Communism). Until there is room for more growth once again, communism must give back into capitalism.

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05 Jun 2012 5:18PM

And exactly how is this alternation supposed to work?

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05 Jun 2012 6:03PM

I'm guessing while the growth and advancement is happening, you use capitalism to help said growth and advancement. And once that is over then you go to communism. But the problem I see is, when do we stop growing and advancing?

Science continues to advance endlessly. So I see the problem.

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05 Jun 2012 6:18PM

Isn't there also the difficulty that capitalists resist any sort of socialization with all the means at their disposal.

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05 Jun 2012 5:24PM

You truly get it sir.

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05 Jun 2012 6:06PM

Good luck implementing that into a massive, and ever-changing society. Humans are NOT a species of finite growth. Given infinite resources human beings could breed infinitely. We live on a finite resource, (Earth). No amount of communism will stop human population growth and consumption of resources. We either expand out of Earth, or have a catastrophic "thinning of the herd" where vast swaths of human populations are killed off by whatever method.

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05 Jun 2012 10:33PM

If those are the only options, I'd bet on "thinning of the herd".

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05 Jun 2012 10:37PM

What a stupid thread. OP, name one single civilization that has ever switched from capitalism to communism,done so successfully and lasted. How idiotic.

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06 Jun 2012 10:29AM

I think that the OP's idea is a questionable one. But to call it stupid and idiotic is more indicative of the response than of the original post.

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06 Jun 2012 4:30PM

OP again, My point was just a logical one not a realistic one. I’d expect opposition to this view because humans seem to be a species that is comfortable with the ideals in which they know well and have come to trust. No Zagg, transition would probably not be easy for a lot of people who have that narrow minded mentality. I was not talking about population growth ether, that will happen regardless of what system we are ruled under, and nature has a fail-safe on all creatures when overpopulation occurs, and everyone will get a nasty surprise when it does happen.
Sooner or later our resources are going to run out, companies are going to have to make transitions to other arenas or die. What I meant by hitting the ceiling is that when their no room for individual growth and competition in a market because big corporations have consolidated so much and have taken steps in ensuring a virtual monopoly in an area, then prices will be out of control compared to living expenses (that is capitalism failing).
This is already happening, there is no real free market, big corporations can bitch about a “little guy“ that is proving to be a fly in their ointment to government entities, and get them removed or at least powerless. Corporate society is a capitalistic societies virtual ending, when there is no more room for growth, commodities will be completely controlled by these powerhouses.

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06 Jun 2012 5:08PM

One thing is certain: the concentration in most industries makes it virtually impossible for the ordinary person to start an enterprise. Even the consummate professionals, doctors and lawyers, are largely employees these days. The competition that free-market theorists rhapsodize about is disappearing.

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07 Jun 2012 5:13PM

There is still opportunity for the “little man” Zagg (sort of). Its true big corporations can buy in bulk quantity from manufacturers and sell a product for less, but do they do it?
No.
This is what I mean by prices being controlled (by fat profit money grubbing maggot corporations) over peoples’ living expenses. And this is a dangerous factor when it comes to life necessities such as food.

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In my city there is a vendor off the street that sells kick-ass food. The fast food restaurants in the area tried to get him removed by taking it to the city authorities. They failed, but it is an example of what I mean by big corporations trying to weed out the “little guy“.

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07 Jun 2012 5:30PM

I was talking about corporatizing, but your example is definitely another case of the say corporations try to avoid competition from smaller enterprises. It's the same here in Chicago. City regulations are always being used to put small producers out of business. They become a buy-in that a lot of people just can't afford.

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